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chaosrex
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 Posted - 01/11/2009 : 07:39:02 AM
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Hisks asked me to log onto his character to look at some issues he had. Boy, did he have issues.
Bull
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Divine Age : 206 Potential : 100% Played: 293:02:45 Since: 23-Apr-2006
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Encumbrance: 2 Explored : 39.7% Fame/Glory : 7/7 Kills/Death: 5/30
Primal : 6979 Safe Primal: 0 Primal Cap : 8487 Soul Points: 35733
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Karma : 0 Transferred: 6303 Pan. Kills : 0 Pan. Deaths: 0
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Brawn : 4+15 Grace : 6+21 Mettle : 8 Size : 6
Wits : 6+34 Tenacity : 4+18 Discipline : 7+17 Aura : 9+51
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Attack (H) : N/A Protection : 883 Damage (H) : N/A Cmd: [ ]+0
Ascend (L) : 1360 Defence (L): N/A Power (L) : 353 Cmd: [spspspspsp]+0
Ascend (R) : 1360 Defence (R): N/A Power (R) : 353 Cmd: [ spspsp]+0
Attack (F) : N/A Defence (F):>786< Damage (F) : N/A Cmd: [ fff fff ]+0
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Speed : 40 Speed Cap : 35 Actions : 1600 Max actions: 1600
Core Damage: 180 Core Power : 602 Resistance : 70 Adrenaline : 0
Radiation : 700 Max Rad. : 2060 Regen rate : N/A Pain mod. : None
Mana : 464 Max mana : 584 Health : 544 Max health : 544
Invisible? : No Blur timer : N/A Invis lvl : 0 Detect lvl : 0
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See also : score skills/affects/armour/inventory/talents/powers
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Bear
--------------------------[ Hisks the Elementalist ]---------------------------
Divine Age : 206 Potential : 100% Played: 293:02:40 Since: 23-Apr-2006
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Encumbrance: 2 Explored : 39.7% Fame/Glory : 7/7 Kills/Death: 5/30
Primal : 6979 Safe Primal: 0 Primal Cap : 8487 Soul Points: 35733
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Karma : 0 Transferred: 6303 Pan. Kills : 0 Pan. Deaths: 0
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Brawn : 4+15 Grace : 6+21 Mettle : 8 Size : 6
Wits : 6+34 Tenacity : 4+18 Discipline : 7+17 Aura : 9+51
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Attack (H) : N/A Protection : 883 Damage (H) : N/A Cmd: [ ]+0
Ascend (L) : 2040 Defence (L): N/A Power (L) : 353 Cmd: [spspspspsp]+0
Ascend (R) : 2040 Defence (R): N/A Power (R) : 353 Cmd: [ spspsp]+0
Attack (F) : N/A Defence (F):>786< Damage (F) : N/A Cmd: [ fff fff ]+0
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Speed : 40 Speed Cap : 35 Actions : 1600 Max actions: 1600
Core Damage: 135 Core Power : 451 Resistance : 70 Adrenaline : 0
Radiation : 700 Max Rad. : 2060 Regen rate : N/A Pain mod. : None
Mana : 464 Max mana : 584 Health : 544 Max health : 544
Invisible? : No Blur timer : N/A Invis lvl : 0 Detect lvl : 0
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See also : score skills/affects/armour/inventory/talents/powers
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Bear
--==>>> You burn the training dummy's head for 317 damage (CRITICAL HIT).
Bull
--==>>> You burn the training dummy's head for 328 damage (CRITICAL HIT).
The damage difference should be much larger I would think. 11 damage from Bull to Bear? I don't think so.
Thats all so inappropriate
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You become partially visible.
You drive your darkblade deep into Lostinbeer's back, skewering his heart!
--==>>> You freeze Lostinbeer's back for 3477 damage.
Lostinbeer's body goes limp.
[VICTORY] Fraust slew Lostinbeer with 100% health remaining. |
Edited by - chaosrex on 01/11/2009 07:57:06 AM
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KaVir
God Wars II Admin
Germany
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 11:11:20 AM
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You're looking for the bonus in the wrong place. It's here:
Bull
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Speed : 40 Speed Cap : 35 Actions : 1600 Max actions: 1600
Core Damage: 180 Core Power : 602 Resistance : 70 Adrenaline : 0
Radiation : 700 Max Rad. : 2060 Regen rate : N/A Pain mod. : None
Mana : 464 Max mana : 584 Health : 544 Max health : 544
Invisible? : No Blur timer : N/A Invis lvl : 0 Detect lvl : 0
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Bear
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Speed : 40 Speed Cap : 35 Actions : 1600 Max actions: 1600
Core Damage: 135 Core Power : 451 Resistance : 70 Adrenaline : 0
Radiation : 700 Max Rad. : 2060 Regen rate : N/A Pain mod. : None
Mana : 464 Max mana : 584 Health : 544 Max health : 544
Invisible? : No Blur timer : N/A Invis lvl : 0 Detect lvl : 0
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Crab/etc increases Resistance, which is the opposed stat to Core Damage/Power. If Bull/Bear/etc increased regular damage as well, it would scale far too fast for the Resistance styles to counter.
Also note that the dummy has a Resistance of only 50, so the difference is as follows:
Bull: 602*100/(602+50) = 92% damage
Bear: 451*100/(451+50) = 90% damage
That's just a 2% increase. But if he were fighting something with a Resistance of 500 (i.e., more comparable with his Core Power) the difference would be greater:
Bull: 602*100/(602+500) = 54% damage
Bear: 451*100/(451+500) = 47% damage
Check 'help resistance' for details on how it works.
May thy fangs stay ever sharp, thy soul ever dark. |
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Tarasque
Member
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 5:46:41 PM
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Negator
Member
Australia
279 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2009 : 02:42:24 AM
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Easily...
For the first year of playing, I didn't even realise that Core Damage was different figure from "ordinary" Damage - I was not interested in the mathematics much, I just tried things until they worked.
Then I realised there were two different figures involved, but thought that "ordinary" Damage was just a random figure calculated from Core Damage when you hit someone.
Even now, I am not entirely sure I "get it". It seems that Core Damage is regardless of location, but including a style bonus %, whereas Damage depends on location/weapon/tech, but does not scale by style %, and both play different parts in the calculation of health loss - but have I actually got that straight in my head?
It might help if "help damage" referred you to a "help core damage", which explicitly dealt with the fact that "Core Damage" != "Damage" != "Max damage" != "Pre-soak damage" != "Health loss due to a hit".
To most people without a grounding in the GW2 mechanics, damage is just damage.
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Edited by - Negator on 03/11/2009 02:45:50 AM |
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